Rough Hawkbit vs Lesser Hawkbit Phyllaries.

Rough Hawkbit vs Lesser Hawkbit Phyllaries.
A few additional images to demonstrate the differences in the phyllaries (involucral bracts) of Rough and Lesser Hawkbit.
This photographs supplement my original blog Hawkbits (Leontodon) from 22Dec2017 which should be read first. There is also a blog 'Leontodon Achene Photos' 21Nov2018.

Rough Hawkbit ( Leontodon hispidus)

Lesser Hawkbit ( Leontodon saxatilis)

Rough Hawkbit

Lesser Hawkbit

Lesser Hawkbit

Rough Hawkbit

Rough Hawkbit

Many Lesser Hawkbit have a clear brown

edging to the inner phyllaries which can be quite distinctive.
Rough Hawkbit can also have brown edging but usually it merges into the green centre of the phyllaries without having a distinct edge.

Lesser Hawkbit often has no hairs but some have white hairs. In general Rough Hawkbit has  hairs on the phyllaries but occasionally some plants have none. Having no hairs becomes usual for Rough Hawbit in Eastern Europe, east of Vienna but here in the UK hairless Rough Hawkbit might indicate a hybrid.
The outer phyllaries tend to be longer in Rough Hawkbit with the very longest reaching 90% of the inner phyllaries whereas Lesser Hawkbit only reach 50%.

A few more examples for brown edged Lesser Hawkbit follow.

Lesser Hawkbit

Lesser Hawkbit

Lesser Hawkbit

Lesser Hawkbit

Rough Hawkbit

Lesser Hawkbit

Rough Hawkbit

Lesser Hawkbit

Two Classic examples follow.

Lesser Hawkbit , classic example with no hairs, distinct dark outer line to inner phyllaries and short
outer phyllaries.

Lesser Hawkbit but this time with hairs. Note the distinctive dark edging to the inner phyllaries
and the short length of the outer phyllaries.

Rough Hawkbit  showing lots of hairs and very long outer phyllaries.

Below are examples of possible hybrids based on these particular flowers being different from the surrounding population.

As R.A Finch concluded in his famous paper on Leontodons*, ' concealed gene flow occurs both ways between these two species' so hybrids are probably more common that we might think, even if we can't be certain of their identity as hybrids.  

Possible hybrid, no hairs, long outer
phyllaries and no distinct dark edge.

Possible Hybrid. Outer phyllaries not adpressed,
not very hairy but some dark edging.   

Possible Hybrid, brown edging very faint.
Not very hairy.

Rough Hawkbit, Typical with brown edging merging
rather than forming a clear edge. Outer phyllaries
not adpressed. Moderately hairy .

Peter Leonard

Rampton

Cambridge

29th April 2020

*ref . Finch, R. A.   (1967) Natural chromosome variation in Leontodon. Heredity 22;359-386

Geranium in early spring.

Following on from my ID Key on Geraniums and Stork's-bills which was aimed at flowering plants, I have found identification in winter/early spring, introduces the extra complication of winter leaf shape in Cut-leaved Crane's-bill ( G. dissectum) which looks much like G. molle, G. pusillum and G. pyrenaicum. These four species are covered in the following photos.

G. dissectum   5th Feb 2020

Despite the leaf shape changing on certain species like G. dissectum, the petiole (leaf stalk) hairs still provide a reliable method of separating the geraniums. A slight complication is that winter leaf stalks can have fewer hairs. I did find a G. pusillium petiole which had no hairs but fortunately later leaves on the same plant had the normal hairs.

1) G. molle  ( Dove's-foot Crane's-bill)  vs G. pyrenaicum ( Hedgerow Crane's-bill)

These two species share the three types of  leaf stalk hairs, short glandular hairs , short simple hairs and long hairs.  The difference is that the G. molle long hairs are wispy and are even longer than G. pyrenacium.

G. molle showing wispy long hairs. Rampton 24th March 2020

G. molle showing the short glandular hairs , the simple hairs and the long wispy hairs.

G. pyrenaicum showing three types of hair, short glandular, short simple hairs and long hairs.

The long hairs which tend to be angled down on G. pyrenaicum are not wispy but stronger and less bendy.

G. pyrenaicum showing detail of the three types of hairs. Landbeach 24th March 2020
Some of the hairs are angled up to 45 degrees . 

Hedgerow Cranesbill when in flower have flower stems without the long hairs.

G. pyrenaicum flower stalk with no long hairs.

Variation and similarity of the three basic hair types makes this quite difficult. The density of long hairs can vary with some G. molle having a dense layer of these wispy long hairs while other plants may have much fewer.  The Landbeach photo above is slightly odd in that the long hairs are very dense and downward pointing which gets close to the appearance of G. dissectum ( Cut-leaved Crane's-bill). The following photo which shows the same leaf and stem which gives a less detailed view showing that overall the hairs are not as downward pointing as you might expect in G. dissectum. This plus the leaf shape confirmed identity as G. pyrenaicum ( Hedgerow Crane's-bill). Hedgerow Crane's-bill is often a much more robust plant that G. Molle with bigger leaves.

G. pyrenaicum. Landbeach

G. pyrenaicum leaf

2) G. dissectum Cut-leaved Crane's-bill.

G. dissectum winter leaf, Rampton 24th March

First problem is that the winter leaves are not the thin cut versions of summer but rather like the G. molle/G. pusillum/G. pyrenaicum cut to 2/3rds type. Later leaves tend towards the thinner cut leaves as spring passes.

G. dissectum   5th Feb 2020

G. dissectum  leaf showing trend towards summer leaves.

G.dissectum Leaf showing more deeply cut sections. Rampton 24th March 2020

I will let others think about what the advantage of changing the leaf shape from winter to summer is.
Whether the more compact leaf shape is more frost resistant comes to mind.


Petiole (Leaf Stem) hairs.
Not easy to separate from G. pyrenaicum because dissectum can vary from sparse to dense hairs. G. dissectum can sometimes have very few glandular hairs but these are often quite dense just below the leaf. 

G. dissectum  hairs showing short glandular hairs and angled straight hairs.

G. dissectum, less hairy stem. Angled hairs.

Key feature is the straight eglandular hairs are angled downwards at up to 45 degrees. The short glandular hairs are just visible in the top photo. The extremely long hairs that G. molle/G. pyrenaicum show are not present.

3) G. pusillum ( Small-flowered Crane's-bill)

G. pusillum leaf hairs, short glandular hairs plus short glandular hairs. No long hairs.

G. pusillum Devils Ditch, 25th March 2020

Some winter/early spring petioles (leaf stems) have almost no hairs. Normally they have a few short glandular hairs and lots of simple hairs that can be straight or curved. Because the short hairs tend to be all the same length and quite dense they make up a consistent layer.

Conclusion.
Whereas leaf shape is variable, the hairs on the petiole ( leaf stem) do seem to give a consistent method of identification provided you have not found a garden escape which would make the situation much more complicated.

Peter G. Leonard
Rampton
Cambridgeshire.
30th March 2020

Crepis paludosa. Marsh Hawksbeard + Crepis lampsanoides

Marsh Hawksbeard ( Crepis paludosa )

Added to my species list in July 2019 during at visit to Allendale, Northumbria. This blog is my attempt to identify Marsh Hawksbeard for the first time. It follows my blog on Northern Hawksbeard which is a much less common plant. At the end I have added some photos of Crepis lampsanoides from Portugal which shares a key feature with Crepis paludosa.

C. paludosa Lower stem leaf, sessile ( not stalked)

As I mentioned in my recent blog on the Northern Hawksbeard, the Cumbria Botany team of Jeremy Roberts and Phil Brown produced a really good identification article covering Marsh and Northern Hawksbeard, plus it covers the Common Hawkweed that often grow beside the Northern Hawksbeard. This is much better than any of the field guides.
http://www.cumbriabotany.co.uk  (page down for article on Northern Hawksbeard on left.)

Marsh Hawksbeard is similar to Northern Hawksbeard and some versions of the Hawkweed group in having a tall stem that splits again and again to hold a panicle of bright yellow flowers.
Basal leaves at the ground level,  then lower stem leaves which can be quite large, small mid stem leaves and even smaller upper stem leaves. Marsh and Northern Hawksbeards typically have about 3-4 stem leaves so if you find a plant with approx. 15, it's a Hawkweed. Other Hawkweeds have just 3-4 stem leaves but they don't have the special leaf shape of the Marsh Hawksbeard.

The key to the identification of Marsh Hawksbeard would appear to be the shape of the mid stem leaves. The excellent Harrop's Wild Flowers field guide  says 'stem leaves clasping, with large rounded basal lobes' whereas 'Rose' in the 'Wild Flower Key' says back-pointed basal lobes forming arrow-shape, with Northern having rounded bases. If this seems unclear I hope the photos below explain why the both field guides are correct.

 Unlike Northern Hawksbeard or most of the Hawkweeds, Marsh Hawksbeard is hairless when it comes to the leaves and stem. The Cumbria blog does mention that some Northern Hawksbeard are almost glabrous, having almost no hairs.

The photo above, showing a lower stem leaf, highlights the toothed margin, so you could think, it's a Hawkweed, but it isn't.  The very wide base and no leaf stalk would be odd for a Hawkweed. Its not a typical leaf anyway, but that's why I took a photo to show variation.

   The basal leaves at ground level have a winged stalk and toothed to shallowly-lobed margins with a pointed apex. I don't have any photos because they have often gone by the time of flowering so I didn't see any.

My first Marsh Hawksbeard in typical habitat of a stream/ river side and wet woodland.

C. paludosa just downstream from Allendale Town, 18th July 2019 

Lower stem leaf , same one as top photo, was quite a extreme shape with its curved teeth and sessile base ( no leaf stem). Note lack of hairs on stem and leaf. Strangely this leaf does not have the backward pointing lobes of a typical leaf.

Marsh Hawksbeard,
lower stem leaf showing zero hairs. Not a typical leaf shape.

Marsh Hawksbeard, Lower leaf of more typical shape.

The leaf above is more typical than the first leaf shown. Again it has the toothed margin and hairless surface. The base is interesting as the leaf does not clasp the stem in terms of running down into it, but  wraps round it with large rounded un-attached basal lobes ( Auriculate ). These lobes have teeth and that is probably the reason for the 'arrow shape' in the Rose Field Guide. The basic shape to the lobe is round but has teeth superimposed onto it. Depending on the size and position of the teeth you could have rounded lobes or pointed lobes!.

C. paludosa leaf with usual teeth and prominent basal lobes.

Another leaf, mid stem, showing an example of more rounded basal lobes. 

C. paludosa Variation in mid stem leaf without teeth being prominent.

 Yet another mid stem leaf but this time with limited teeth. The rounded basal lobes (auricles) have teeth but the rest of the leaf is free of them. The backward pointing auricles are quite small on this particular leaf, almost into Northern Hawksbeard territory, but the pointed teeth do not fit with Northern.

In this leaf the auricules ( backward pointing lobes) have the teeth making them look pointed.

Close up of the leaf to stem junction. Also shows lack of any hairs on stem or leaf.

Conclusion.  The two ID keys to the identification of Marsh hawksbeard are:-

1) Marsh Hawksbeards lack of hairs on leaves and stem, as both Northern Hawksbeard  and Hawkweeds normally have them.

OK a few species of Hawkweeds will not be hairy, but that's Hawkweeds.

 Northern Hawksbeard leaves can sometimes be very sparse so you need to look closely to see if any hairs are present so this might be a difficult key on some plants. This is why the Cumbria blog probably did not highlight this feature. You can say if the stem and leaves have hairs, it is not a Marsh Hawksbeard.

2) The mid stem leaves have backward pointing un-attached lobes (auricles) that go way past the stem and are basically rounded but often have pointed teeth superimposed on the margins. This combination is the special feature.

  Since leaf shape can vary, the first leaf photo being an example of an extreme, it is best to look closely at all the stem leaves to make a judgment. The Northern Hawkbeard can have un-attached backward pointing and rounded auricles on mid and upper stem leaves but they are smaller and do not go much beyond the stem plus these leaves do not have the teeth along the margin. Best to look at the leaves shown here, on my Northern Hawksbeard blog and on the Cumbria botany site to get a feeling for the differences. With only a very small sample seen, the Marsh Hawksbeard had mid-stem leaves  that looked quite different to the Northern Hawksbeard but I do not have a wide experience of the possible variation. I hope the next two drawings give some clarity to what might be a tricky distinction. Occasionally Northern Hawksbeard mid stem leaves can have the odd tooth so it is good to look at all the leaves.

Northern Hawksbeard

Marsh Hawksbeard

Comparison of mid-stem leaf shapes with Northern Hawksbeard having auricle that goes backwards past the stem by a maximum of a single stem thickness, whereas the Marsh hawksbeard typically goes backwards by about one to three stem thicknesses (disregarding the teeth).

Other features...

C. paludosa phyllaries are different lengths.

The basic feature of the cup and saucer pattern of the phyllaries to indicate a CREPIS, does not really work for Marsh or Northern Hawksbeard as the phyllaries are adpressed and of varying length, much like a typical Hawkweed. What is different, is the length of the glandular hairs, but this is apparently a variable feature and some plants can have almost no hairs according to Sell&Murrell.

C. paludosa Phyllaries with long black glandular hairs plus some eglandular hairs

A few hairs do extend from the phyllaries down the stem a short distance including a tiny amount of the cobwebby hairs but in general the stem do not have hairs.

C. paludosa pappus hairs are more like Hawkweed rather than the shinning white of Northern Hawksbeard.

C. paludosa achenes and pale brown pappus hairs.

Achenes are 4-5.5mm long and should have ten ribs but that is rather hard to count as rib size seems to vary a lot. The pappus hairs are pale brown. The achenes are rather straight and are only slightly narrow at the pappus end. No beak.  They are a pale brown colour which is unlike the typical dark achenes of most Hawkweeds. The C. mollis, Northern Hawksbeard has a very different look with 20 ridges and tapered down at each end.

Achene  C. paludosa  4.8mm long.

Achene C. mollis 

Pappus hairs have tiny barbs like C.mollis. and the Hawkweeds.

 The receptacle pit is smooth without scales or hairs.

The achene has to be be a key Identification feature.

Flowers.

C. paludosa 

Flower showing the yellow petals contrasting with the green stigma/style.

Final photo of the flower showing the stamen/anther tube with the red stripes as also seen in Northern Hawksbeard.  I did not see any petals that were not completely bright yellow, no banding present.

That concludes photos of Marsh Hawksbeard. The mid stem leaves are the key feature in the UK but if you venture into Europe they is another Crepis that has some similar un-attached backward pointing lobes on its leaves.

Crepis lampsanoides.

Seen in northern Portugal. Range, North Portugal through the Northern mountains of Spain through to the Pyrenees and into Southern France.

(Ref the Flora-On website which has good photos and distribution maps for the wild flowers of Portugal.) 

C. lampsanoides. 

Lower stem leaf

Although the leaf shares some similarity in the way the two backward lobes clasp the stem the leaf shape is very different from Marsh Hawksbeard. The leaf is lobed almost back to the leaf stem twice before the main part of the leaf widens out. The leaf and stem are hairy.

Mid stem leaf showing a narrowing rather than the lobbing almost back to the stem.

This leaf is a bit more like Marsh but still has the odd narrowing. It has some small teeth on the margin. 

C. lampsanoides.

Flower showing stigma/style are yellow and not contrasting with the petals. The stamen/anther tubes have the same red stripes that both Marsh and Northern Hawksbeard show.

C. lampsanoides showing glandular hairs on stem and phyllaries.

Seed Head showing Achenes 

Final photo showing just how many leaves are on the stalk.

The End

Peter G. Leonard , Rampton, Cambridgeshire.

30th January 2020